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Rumor: Halo 4 Ranking System Similar To Halo Reach?
Halo Franchise Development Director Frank O’ Connor has recently been discussing the multiplayer ranking system for Halo 4 on the NeoGaf forums. With some of the community split on preference between the Halo 3 “one-to-fifty” ranking system and the considerably more mainstream system implemented in Halo Reach, it seems that the fourth iteration in Master Chief’s saga won’t be leaning towards the former.
Through a handful of replies on the NeoGaf forums concerning the new game’s ranking system for multiplayer, O’ Connor was quick to point out what he considered flaws in the 1-50 system in Halo 3:
Moving on with his argument concerning boosters in past Halo titles, he was quick to mention why boosting is so silly, and how he’d like to draw attention away from that going forward:
You can check out the board for yourself if you’d like more context.
From what I could parse from an overhead view, it would seem that 343 Industries is aiming away from the Halo 3 ranking system, and focusing on something more Reach-ish, but ultimately attempting to create something noticeably different.
No official announcements have been made regarding the ranking system in Halo 4, but rest assured, we’ll let you know when we’ve heard some sweet new details.
If you’re super dedicated to learning more about the multiplayer in Halo 4, go give the 343i SparkCast a listen, it’s the developer’s official podcast – and it’s actually a pretty compelling hour of Halo talk.
[via 343 Industries Forums]
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I hope Halo 4 has the costomisable option again
if its not true skill ranking system im not buying….
RAGE!!! Eh, not really. I am a guy that is all about having fun online. I could care less if my digital “penis” was bigger than the next guys, or girls. I am more excited for the fact that 343 is actually working with the expanded Halo Universe for the campaign instead of pulling a George Lucas (or Bungie) and ignoring what others have added to their sci-fi universes.
I can tell you right now if ANYTHING from the Halo: Reach multiplayer besides the weapons are in Halo 4 I am taking it back. “1-50 increases boosting” WTF is this nonsense, it’s complete BS, if noobs are going to boost do you think having a skill system is easier than having a credit system? Obviously not, after 343 took over Reach they ruined what little there was good about the game, which was next to nothing. Halo 3: good maps, fun multiplayer, great custom games, short campaign. Halo Reach: (ex. halo for casual gamers) bad maps, lag, server crashes, credit boosting, zombie teleport hack, short campaign, 343 title update… which had extremely bad “community maps” which I have never heard anykne say they liked. You know when your game sucks? When everyone stops playing and leaves for COD, well done 343 if you copy Reach this will be your 2nd bad game in a row. Mediocrity at its finest, I think I might just cancel my pre order.
what a fuckin moron, 1 – 50 was the best and boosting wasnt an issue hes just lying and wants a call of duty rank system, i think hes fuckin losing his mind as time goes on
You obviously didn’t play Halo3 if you honestly think the 1-50 rank system was boost proof.
Wait why the hell am I even bothering with you egotistical twats? Arguing with a fool is like playing chess with a bird, you can defeat it by using strategy and rational thinking but at the end of the game, the bird will shit on the table and walk away like it was victorious.
If Halo 4 does have the Halo: Reach ranking system on not buying it. Sure so
e people boosted in Halo 3 but what about the good players that got a legit 50. Halo: Reachs ranking system was based on what level you are acourding to how much you play. You had to actually win and be somewhat good at the game to when in Halo 3 and rank up. Looks like this is another Halo: Reach remake. ahhhhh
Halo reach was a flop, halo 3 was a top game that competed with titles that was out 4-5 years after halo 3. If it isn’t broke don’t fix it… what a disappointment back to cod it is then
They messed up. Halo reachs rank system for arena would be alright if it had to do with your actual title instead of some crappy logo no one cared about. Combine the 2 so us actual players will have a fan base to play against. Lol otherwise h3 for lyfe
Just make it so u cant boost? have a win is a win and a loss is a loss then….If u need to win to rank up it makes the game 100000000 times more competetive….when u scream cuz u lose u know its a good game
Yeah if they don’t have another ranking system 1-50 then they are just retarded there is going to be less people buy and play the game everybody liked it how it used to be so why change to this pussy shit these guys are just letting CoD make more money the Reach way
Ok 1 thing halo 3 rank system was perfect with the lvl 1 to 50 pepole was more competitive ,2 On halo reach is got boster too and is dont have lvl wtf are u talking about Only noob pepole dont like rank to 1 to lvl 50 because is more easy to just play and win credit no competition nothing halo reach was a fail system i hope u will change this or u will lose soo many player to halo again before on halo population was like 5 million now is like 300 000 loll cman Just put the system lvl from halo 3 ifpepole dont like the lvl system put social place for this pepole like h3
Stop talking you sound like a idiot. It was never 5million people. It was about 900,000 and its not 300,000 people now it is more like 50,000. But i dont see why they cant just make 4 or 5 1-50 playlist. The noobs / casual gamers will play social. IUt will be just like reach for them.
Halo 4 needs to have the halo 3 ranking system, most people stopped playing reach because of the ranking system it had. The 1 – 50 IS halo when someone says im good at halo, you ask what level are you.. Myself and many others would be pissed if it is not 1 – 50.
agreed i would love for halo 4 to have trueskill
Omg is 343 rearded. Give the hardcore gamers atleat 5 ranked playlist. Look at halo 3 it had ranked then it had social. the casual gamers played social. reach was all social. Beleive me the reason reach only has like 50,000 people after almost 2 years is because there are no ranks. How can you guys not see this. In h3 it was all about getting that 50. It was fun. but theres no point in playing a game without ranks. So what there is boosting if your good at the game you will get your 50 even if you play with derankers sometimes. If your bad then you need that booster. 1-50 was the best. You guys are making another reach. Why cant us hardcore players have some features. Your not giving us the ones who play the game the most what we want. Casual gamers will always play with ranks or not. So whay not bring back ranks. And not this arena bs (though onyx and a 50 would look so legit) but cmon man. Casual gamers will always play. thus bring ranks will make the people who want ranks play the game. AFTER 2 YEARS OF REACH IT IS AT MAYBE 80,000 people a day. After 3 years of h3 it was at 300,000 ppl to 350,000 ppl.
How can you guys not see what is wrong. When i watch you guys vidocs i justr want to punch you all in the face. You guys no nothing of what your talking about and it annoys me when i have to sit here and watch my favorite title go down the drain. You guys are gonna to make a game that is another reach and h5 will be just as dumb because you guys are idiots. I fucking hate you guys i really do.
Are you “rearded?” Ranks suck ass. Why would I need a rank when I can just kick ass and take names? Personally, I think twelve year-olds are the ones who go bonkers over ranks and boosting, while the real gamers just want to achieve and camp for kills. CoD should ditch ranks as well. Seriously, Prestiging?
“real gamers just want to achieve and camp for kills”
You must be confused. The word ‘Real’ doesn’t mean “annoying little fucktard”. Just thought I’d clear that up for ya.
Will all the people who gate ranks shut up. It makes no sense not to have ranks. Think about it. If you have ranks then you can be competitive and try to increase your rank which i and many others thought was fun. If you won or lost the game screeming then you know it was a good game. And for those who dont like the ranked playlists, then thats fine you dont have to play them. Thats why there is social. Im not saying halo 4 has To be all ranks but come on, lets not have it be all social/uncompetitive but lets at least have half and half. And im also not saying social isnt competitive Irs just a different level of competitive. So for all you saying you dont like ranked shut up cause your not the only halo players
343 is officially as dumb as bricks, who looks at a failure (Reach) and decides to recreate it? Have they forgotten what gave Halo such an addictive game play as well as large fan base? Halo 2 as well as Halo 3 is what MADE this game. Reach was like setting fire to the massive empire Bungie had sought to create over the years , and 343 has ambitiously added gasoline to boot. This title (Halo 4) is going to be obsolete in a matter of months (like reach), tarnish the name, and fail miserably leaving the Halo legacy as pile of s**t instead of the golden star image it once was. Doesn’t common sense scream “Make everyone happy?” and create both a ranking system and social system? 343, your thought process is borderline retarded and hopefully you will see the error in your ways with another already needed “Title update” and maybe this time you can do it right.
P.S Those of you who say the ranking system is “dumb” you clearly are blind to why the series snowballed and became as well know as it is. There was a reason why it made it to the MLG circuit (Halo 2 & Halo 3) and now there is a reason why it’s off of the MLG circuit and falling out of the fame it once had (Reach). Why try and fix something that wasn’t broken? People liked it the way it WAS not the way it currently IS.
I swear to god if they totally fuck this games ranking system up again I will probably have to quit xbox and start smoking crack. Is 343 stupid or what… I was looking forward to a halo 3 with better graphics and thought that was going to happen before reading this bullshit. If they’re going to copy COD at least tell us before making us all waste are hard earned money for a stupid ass remake of reach. COD > Reach…. HALO3 > COD. Don’t fuck it up 343… Sincerely ever fucking halo 1,2,3 gamer!
I’m going to get straight to the point. Reach sucked because there was no incentive to play. After every game you feel as though you wasted 5-15 minutes to receive something the losing team just received as well. I still play halo 3 because I’m a 49 in MLG and just want that 50. 1-50 was right. The amount of legit players outweighed the boosters by a long shot, and the true skill system even gave boosters an incentive to play the game! I mean the ranking system gave the entire community an incentive to rank up, whether they boosted or played for hours on end. Nobody cares about boosters, they just want to be good or look “good.” This is where all the money is for 343. Not some off brand Call of Duty. People are going to play cod because cod does their way correctly. They aren’t going to play halo when they can get the same thing AND more from cod. Honestly, the cod-like attributes of the game will hurt 343 more than it will help. Put the ranking system back to H2 and H3, or a lot of customers are going to get their money back.
Get the fucking trueskill back NOW!!! Gawdamnit H3 was THE shit and reach was overly shit, do the math you fucking douchebags
343 should think about all the different types of crowds it has of right now sure the majority are noobs who hate to get pooped on in competitive team based so why dont they take their garbage asses to social leave us competitors happy with our true skills and mlg. Another thing is if you guys pull this one off like and make it a lot like halo 3 i gurantee everyone in that developers studio will be swimming in money specially if mlg wants to put it back on their pro circuit like the good ol days.
I honestly think reachs ranks were good for actualy having names for ranks but halo 3 actualy don’t have to play addicting to it to get to 50 but defects are still play a lot and you level up that goes 4 both games and is a defect that it why any thing they do some one will complain so stop saying if you would not but it or trade it back when you know no matter what you are going to be playing
I really dont have to say my input on it. The REAL Halo universe has said enough. And I when I say REAL I mean trueskill players, not some bull shit officer who spent months on Halo Reach but isnt good at all. I will gladly buy Halo 4 because I adore the franchise. But if they dont have a way to actually rank real trueskill players you wont find me playing multiplayer. And what pisses me off the most, the real competitive and loyal H3 and H2 players will never have there hopes of a good game answered, and it drives me nuts that 343 wont look at player feedback like this. If they would then we’d have an awesome game among us. God please dont let H4 suck.
Almost all of you people that posted are a bunch of cry babies whhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!! hahahahahahaha no true skill systems for you, I welcome back the Reach system Lmao bunch of f~cking cry babies…………..
Honestly why don’t they offer both? Make the progressive ranking (social) and a leveling structure 1-50 (ranked) Both displayed in service record. Giving players two challenges to achieve. Keeping everyone happy
If your boosting you still need some sort of skill to get a high rank, ranks make the game so much fun, and a number next to your name means a whole lot to a lot of people, in halo 2 and 3 almost everyone I played with had microphones and actually talked, now only about 10 percent of games I play in people have a microphone and most of the time they don’t even use it, the reach games are now mostly silent, here’s almost no competitive talking No good game bro, no remarks no shit talking it feels like I’m playing against bots
Gonna be honest here. Of all Halo games, H2 was the best. Rank, weapons, players, etc. All of these extra additions (ODST, Wars, Reach) were complete failures. And with Reach’s rank system, with no purpose to try, I would join invasion game types, find a corner to take a nap in, and surf the web till game was over. Rinse & repeat. I’m not awarded for playing magnificently, so why try. Many people play for the “fun” but when the game itself sucks, your only beating a dead horse.
use the reach ranking then everyone is happy
If you care so much about your precious ranks maybe you “kids” should look back at Halo CE. No ranks. Just your buddy in the living room next to you. THAT is what makes a classic. Good story telling and the ability to use the same goofy guns to kill your buddy and drop nuts in his face over and over again. Screw ranks, screw new school, stick to your roots, and grow up. Come November 6th, everything before Halo 4 will be obsolete regardless so just get with the times or get left behind. If you are all over bungies shaft keep playing halo 3. It’ll still be there noobs.
And ANOTHER thing… For all of you comparing Halo to CoD grow up. If you’re that big of a zombie to shell $60 out for the same crap over and over again… I feel sorry for you. There is absolutely ZERO difference in modern warfare 1 and modern warfare 3. Not graphically or gameplay. It is literally the same rehashed crap game after game after game. At least Halo is trying to take it in a new inventive direction. You wan your 1-50 so damn badly? Keep playing Halo 3 or STFU. A number next to my name doesn’t keep me from playing a game. Stomping the CRAP out of both teams (score wise) is how I enjoy a game. It’s more than beating the other team. I have to be the BEST on my team. Honing my skills, quicker headshot reaction times, better with grenades (or avoiding them) using my surroundings to ninja my enemies at every turn. That’s how I I play. Not like some pretentious douchebag who cries about his number on forums like ANYONE else gives a shit. If you’re a 1 or a 50, God help you. I’ll see you on the battlefield regardless. That is unless you’d rather be playing a 7 year old video game better somehow or if you’re playing CoD the same game for the last dozen years. Haha. I haven’t heard not even ONE argument supporting the campaign. You just want to buy a game so you can have a number and measure virtual dicks its ridiculous. You have no argument to miss ranking that bad. Halo was a good game because it proved good multiplayer and good storyline wasn’t just for fans of Half Life. And it’s storyline has CONTINUED to impress. It’s multiplayer has CONTINUED to evolve (at least taking a risk and attempting something new for gamers). What has CoD done differently lately? Nothing. What has Halo 3 or Halo 2 done differently lately? Nothing. You know what the people who are all over their nuts called? Nothing. Halo 4 FTW or STFU & GTFO.
I don’t undestand how anyone can go for the “everyone wins” levelling system. The system itself isn’t a bad idea, but what is the point in playing for a badge, when all that badge really means is “I’ve played this game a lot, I might be shit, but I’m a General at played this game a lot”.
The 1-50 system did have issues, but it has far less than the Reach system. For instance, how am I ever going to get better in Reach if I’m constantly paired up with people that are awesome? The 1-50 system, as a system, was flawless; it was the players that made it bad, as apposed to Reach, who’s flaws lay within the system itself.
I’d much rather see 343 putting their time and effort into perfecting a system that is nearly there than pad out a system that is already broken.
I’m not necessarily “egotistical”, but the last thing I want to do is spend time getting good at a game, just for the next 10 year old who’s off for the holidays to come along and better my level because he has more spare time.
Last I checked the ranking system in H4 is still UNANNOUNCED
Meaning NO CONCRETE DETAILS have been given, Conner similar stated that they were looking more at the Reach ranking than Halo 3. But Conner has a point. I no longer care about my rank in H3 because I’d just be labelled a booster or someone who bought a 50 account and get no recognition for my time and effort. You got ranks to level up and stuff, but for all intents and purposes there could be a ranked playlist.
That said why are people making such a big deal about not having a digital number next to your name? If they did have 1-50 in H4, what happens when you get to 50? Is that it? Have you completed the game and you stop playing? Honestly, just grow up, stop worrying about your e-peen and just enjoy the game? Is that so hard to do?
Maybe you forgot but you could also rank up to a 5 star general on Halo 3 (5,000 wins.) also, each list had the same rank symbol for getting certain amounts of experience in the list.
A game that requires skill? Oh, they are becoming non existent because companies are money driven douchebags that listen to the people that whine about being bad. (The majority of players)
Look at Diablo 3 for instance, they made the game so easy that 90% of the population quit. I guarantee that if Halo 4 doesn’t have a competitive ranking system it will be returned by loads of people. I also noticed he said “time and work” but left out skill…
Marc summed it up completely.
You honestly couldn’t've played a match on Halo 3. Playing a game on Halo 3 meant something. Being that 48 and desperately wanting for that 50. Every win is euphoric, every loss is a downer. You FEEL every death and push on for that next kill. You punch the air when you win and slip into misery when you lose.
This was my memory of Halo 3. Every loss makes that win even more important, more enjoyable.
I will never agree with a game that would rather reward players for playing longer than playing better.
You don’t understand Marc, it doesn’t matter to me what other people thought about my rank and I know it’s probably quite sad but I felt pride and self achievement when I got my 47. Yes I could never reach that 50, but that’s what makes me keep playing, not so I can show off my new “cool” helmet or gun. These things are worthless. They are nothing but 3D objects in 3D space. At the end of the day you’ll forget about these in a few years, but you never forget the experience.
Halo Reach was a social game. The ranked playlists were a failure. I was playing Halo I guess, but (to quote Ruby Rodd) there was no fire, no passion.
If they can somehow introduce Halo 3′s atmosphere into Halo 4 then I will be the first to applaud. The idea of a ranking system for people who want to feel the buzz and another for players who would rather go at a leisurely pace worked in Halo 3, and with modern technology they can easily ban players who lag and I’m sure the clever minds at 343 can sort out boosting.
i dont hate reach but i do think they did a awesome job on halo3 cuz there is social and ranked and if u think about it if everybody hates halo now then then there would be more complaints and they would change it and u are going to say no not all peeps tell them they dont like it but if they really didnt like then they would just saying and again i liked halo3 more then reach just like all of u i just dont think it reach was bad. ;)